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~~Marcus~~ · 03-09-2009, 04:43 PM

(02-09-2009 09:40 PM)Revolution Harry Wrote: There is nothing else to discuss but this beast.

How true. That's exactly how I feel.

Any ideas?

I have to disagree for the simple reason that it destroyed my life. Upon trying to discuss this with my then partner, she had none of it. It wouldn't matter what I told her or showed her. This then led to us breaking up, me becoming homeless (again) and thinking what on earth am I going to do with my life? It did get to a point that I thought I was becoming an obsessive. I read and read and read and opened up many holes. I looked into the abyss and it stared back. I didn't like what I saw. Thankfully things have sorted themselves out, I've thankfully left the hellhole of London, moved to Scotland and now I'm doing something I've wanted to all my life!

However, what I've noticed is this; there are people in life who are clued up and there are people who are not. It is really up to people to educate themselves in life as this website, common purpose, Marxist subversion, Gramscian hegemony etc etc I found through my own inquisitiveness. I gave up on the media a long time ago, realising it's nothing but controlled propaganda. I knew if I wanted the answer I'd have to search.

There are always going to be leaders and there are always going to be sheep. The leaders will always lead and the sheep will follow and you will end up getting yourself blue in the face trying to tell people, more interested in Eastenders that they're walking over a trapdoor with a noose around their neck along with their children. They won't care and they'll look at you as though you are a nut.

Some here may disagree with what I'm about to say but I truly believe that we as humans will continue to make the same mistakes and thus be destined to suffer for them. It means that really, what's happening is a natural progression in our existences. Why is it some people are so clued up and others not? My belief is simply the evolution of the soul and obviously the younger souls watch the Eastenders, having lived few lifetimes and the older ones, read stuff such as this, ignoring the media and finding out the truth.

I look back to Monty Python's Witch sketch in the Holy Grail to understand the people as they bring the witch to be tried. It sums up the public in that they'll believe anything that you tell them, or what they want to believe.
'Our masters' are winning. They have full control of our establishments and I do believe that there will be a period of great control, which will last centuries, as we go into a far more restricted and controlled world, however there will be the good people who will continue the constant struggle against light and dark, they will win and there will be peace again...for a while that is.

If people continue struggling to tell other what's happening you're going to dig yourself into an early grave with worry. I think the best you can do is get on with your lives, be the best you can at whatever you choose and if you're able to, buy yourself out of society and live far from the madding crowd. There is the problem with our future generations and we do think of them, but what can we do - start a revolution? If we stick our necks out they'll get cut off and if we put our heads above the crowd we'll get shot. Sometimes we just have to let things be. What we are fighting is far too powerful for a small collection of people to take on and what we've discussed shows that many people are simply clueless, unwilling to open their minds and think outside the box.

I'm getting on with things and trying not to think about it because it is exceptionally depressing. Brian Gerrish has lived a good life, he sees the problem and is trying to do something about it, however there are many far younger than he who are having a hard time coping with this. I know it sounds defeatist but it's like the matrix, in that you can't beat the system, that is unless we unite everyone to topple our hidden dictators. It's a monumental struggle and it can seriously affect you mentally when you continually try to find a solution that I'm afraid has not shown its face yet.

~~Fremen~~ · 03-09-2009, 05:16 PM

"Revolution Harry Wrote: There is nothing else to discuss but this beast.

How true. That's exactly how I feel.

Any ideas?"

I agree, it is do or die, eventually.

Sorry but someone has to say it.

Neo: What are you trying to tell me, that I can dodge bullets?
Morpheus: No, Neo. I'm trying to tell you, that, when you're ready, you won't have to.

100777.com Matrix decoded.

namddo · 03-09-2009, 09:23 PM

So, as an experiment in looking for people 'at the top' I googled "president / chairman bank for international settlements"

and came up with this

http://www.bis.org/press/p970311.htm

"At its meeting on 10th March 1997 the Board of Directors elected Alfons Verplaetse, Governor of the National Bank of Belgium, to the positions of Chairman of the Board and President of the Bank for International Settlements for a period of three years commencing on 1st July 1997.

Alfons Verplaetse will succeed W.F. Duisenberg, who will be retiring as President of De Nederlandsche Bank on 30th June 1997 and whose term of office as Chairman of the Board and President of the Bank for International Settlements expires on the same date.

At its meeting today the Board of Directors expressed to W.F. Duisenberg its deep gratitude for the outstanding services he has rendered to the Bank during his 15 years as a member of the Board, including two terms as Chairman of the Board of Directors and President of the Bank. As Chairman and President he has guided the Bank with skilful and firm leadership and has reinforced its role as a forum for cooperation among central banks."

Are we to believe that people like Alfons Verplaetse & W.F. Duisenberg as former chairmen of the bank for international settlements are inherently bad people, or is just the system they represented?

Revolution Harry · 03-09-2009, 10:21 PM

Mike, when I agreed with OF that 'there is nothing else to discuss but this beast' I was really relating the 'beast' to the all encompassing agenda we see unfolding. I agree that attempting to convince people of all the deeper aspects of the 'beast' is going to be too much too soon. In that sense what you're suggesting is correct but shouldn't we at the same time try to 'connect the dots' a little and try to show them how this all fits into a much bigger picture? In that sense it's a dual approach. As I've said before I feel that the most likely area for breakthrough is with the issues surrounding the banking system.

One more point I'd like to make is that it's my experience that there are a considerable number of people who are just completely incapable of conceiving the enormous scope of what we face. In that case it's single issues such as the one's you mentioned that may resonate more. There are others who most definitely do have the capacity to go much further in grasping the full complexity of it all (I'm doing my best myself). Unfortunately many of these are extremely resistant to any idea of a 'conspiracy' and are locked in the political left/right paradigm. These should be the target. One suggestion I can make for 'activism' is to comment on 'political' blogs. I've been doing this for a while and I've noticed more people doing similar things. People read this stuff and whilst they may not be convinced immediately it registers and they may come round eventually.

There must be quite a few local groups that have been set up by now. If the UK Column could create some A4 leaflets that the groups could download and photocopy (as many as the group could afford) these could then be given out locally. This would help both the local group as well as the Column itself. Repeat the exercise regularly and see where we end up. I'm game.

I've been invited to the annual meeting of a group called Prosperity UK. They've done some excellent research on money reform and I think this year they are going to video some of their lectures. I'm hoping to get some ideas as to how we can get a campaign for reform established. Ideally this would be in tandem with the Column in some way.

Marcus, I sympathise greatly with what you're saying. Whilst I do very often have the urge 'to do something' I've also come to realise that some sort of balance has to be struck. In particular I feel the need for some contact with nature. Some gardening or a walk in the country (the blackberries are very good this year) does the trick. Charge the batteries and persevere. As I said above there are many who can't or won't be reached. Luckily we don't have to reach everyone. A significant number will do. It can be depressing (particularly so as you research deeper into the agenda), I know, but I've found that it does lift if you're doing something, anything, constructive. Hopefully, when you've recovered a little, you'll be able to rejoin the fight. Just the fact that you've written the comment means you haven't given up entirely.

OF, you wrote the post with UK Column readers in mind. Would you have written it differently in any way if you thought you were addressing it to someone with no knowledge whatsoever of the 'bigger picture'?

Olive Farmer · 04-09-2009, 12:43 PM

@Revolution Harry:
Absolutely.
The sheeple wouldn't get past the first sentence, regrettably.
On my blog I get 500 hits a day referred from comments I leave on Infowars, trying to get that particular brand of sheeple to some truth as far as I see it.
Maybe 5 stay and read. The rest see words and click away immediately.
If I put a gun catalogue on there, they'd hang around for hours........

mike · 04-09-2009, 01:45 PM

(03-09-2009 10:21 PM)Revolution Harry Wrote: but shouldn't we at the same time try to 'connect the dots' a little and try to show them how this all fits into a much bigger picture? In that sense it's a dual approach.

Yes, absolutely. That's what we're trying to do here as a general rule. But its got to be a dual approach, I feel.

I thought OFs article was brilliant, by the way - and the other UK Columnists agree.

(03-09-2009 10:21 PM)Revolution Harry Wrote: One suggestion I can make for 'activism' is to comment on 'political' blogs. I've been doing this for a while and I've noticed more people doing similar things. People read this stuff and whilst they may not be convinced immediately it registers and they may come round eventually.

I support this completely, and would encourage everyone to put a link to the UK Column in their footer. Wink

(03-09-2009 10:21 PM)Revolution Harry Wrote: There must be quite a few local groups that have been set up by now. If the UK Column could create some A4 leaflets that the groups could download and photocopy (as many as the group could afford) these could then be given out locally. This would help both the local group as well as the Column itself. Repeat the exercise regularly and see where we end up. I'm game.

If you, or a group of you here, will write the content, I am happy to typeset it and produce a pdf. We have a leaflet coming for the BCG local groups, which will also be available for download if anyone outside of the BCG wants to do some promotion for that organisation. (I have to admit its damned frustrating how long its taking to get that show on the road in a real sense, but sometimes its like herding cats).

(03-09-2009 10:21 PM)Revolution Harry Wrote: I've been invited to the annual meeting of a group called Prosperity UK. They've done some excellent research on money reform and I think this year they are going to video some of their lectures. I'm hoping to get some ideas as to how we can get a campaign for reform established. Ideally this would be in tandem with the Column in some way.

I'd love to have some contact with these guys. Their work is very good, I think.

(03-09-2009 10:21 PM)Revolution Harry Wrote: Marcus, I sympathise greatly with what you're saying.

So do I, Marcus. I don't think I know anyone in this game that isn't experiencing the same thing, mostly, thankfully, to a lesser extent. This is definitely a case of "there but for the grace of God ..."

~~Marcus~~ · 05-09-2009, 11:29 AM

(03-09-2009 10:21 PM)Revolution Harry Wrote: Marcus, I sympathise greatly with what you're saying. Whilst I do very often have the urge 'to do something' I've also come to realise that some sort of balance has to be struck. In particular I feel the need for some contact with nature. Some gardening or a walk in the country (the blackberries are very good this year) does the trick. Charge the batteries and persevere. As I said above there are many who can't or won't be reached. Luckily we don't have to reach everyone. A significant number will do. It can be depressing (particularly so as you research deeper into the agenda), I know, but I've found that it does lift if you're doing something, anything, constructive. Hopefully, when you've recovered a little, you'll be able to rejoin the fight. Just the fact that you've written the comment means you haven't given up entirely.

OF, you wrote the post with UK Column readers in mind. Would you have written it differently in any way if you thought you were addressing it to someone with no knowledge whatsoever of the 'bigger picture'?

Thank you for your kind words Harry. I am greatly at peace back in Scotland and I have trees and greenery around me not forgetting a beautiful view of a River and of course blackberries, lots of them! I did need to get out of London and I won't be going back in a hurry, if at all. It really is the Sodom of biblical times. It's a hell hole and I'm glad I know longer have to be there, continually soaking up the negativity that permeates the air.

While in London I blogged a lot. In fact I had a very popular blog that gained lots of supporters from the various postings I did on the online newspapers. I have however left that for good and I won't be reopening it. When it's ready to rejoin the fight, I will and as you say, I haven't really left. I still read, watch and listen and I know with my nature I won't be silent while the world around me goes potty. I suppose it's just a skill of breaking the news carefully to those who don't know. I'm just wary because there are many people with fragile personalities, that should I get them involved, they'd very possibly crumble inside. You do have to be very careful as having grown up believing one thing only to be told it's all lies can heavily affect people's psyches, as you no doubt no.

(04-09-2009 01:45 PM)mike Wrote: So do I, Marcus. I don't think I know anyone in this game that isn't experiencing the same thing, mostly, thankfully, to a lesser extent. This is definitely a case of "there but for the grace of God ..."

Thanks also for your words Mike. As I said above to Mike, we just have to break it to the world gently so as not to turn them into blind panic. I'm still posting on newspaper columns, although not as much and the message is getting across. The truth shall set you free, but you'll have a tough time accepting it.

~~Fremen~~ · 05-09-2009, 01:37 PM

Hi Harry, Some excellent work done on that site, many thanks.

This would probably best put on another thread, so could I kindly ask Mike or other mods to suggest where please.

Quote:prosperityuk.com/prosperity/articles/faq.html

OBJECTION NUMBER 6: "Don't you know that Karl Marx believed in 'Centralization of credit in the hands of the State, by means of a national bank with State capital and an exclusive monopoly.' (Chapter 2, The Communist Manifesto) Your proposal will simply centralise all financial power, as Karl Marx wanted."
ANSWER NUMBER 6: Nobody is saying we "centralise all credit"!

We are simply calling for a greater proportion of our money supply to be created debt-free by a democratically accountable public body, and spent, not lent, into society.

Moreover, Money Reformers still see a role for the private banking system.

Publicly-created money is not a "left-wing" idea, nor is it a "right-wing" idea. It is intended to help democratise - not centralise - economic power.

Anyway, Marx did not challenge the debt-based money system, nor advocate debt-free money. His proposals were being made within the conventional economic system.

"and spent not lent into society", Should that not be given into society not lent, rather than spent, as it's only a medium for exchange to facilitate trade, like below.

Quote:“SO, WHAT IS MONEY? http://www.prosperityuk.com/prosperity/a...onftp.html
Money is simply the medium we use to exchange goods and services. Without it, buying and selling would be impossible except, of course, by direct barter exchange.

Notes and coins are virtually worthless in their own right. They take on value only because people accept them, in exchange for goods and services. All the money in the world is useless in the middle of a barren desert.

To keep trade and economic activity functioning, there has to be enough of this medium of exchange called money in existence to allow economic activity to take place.

Hence the importance of ensuring that there is sufficient money in the economy to facilitate the exchange of goods and services, and hence the crucial importance that the creators of this money are under the direct control of the very people who need it to survive. That's you and me.”

Also

Tax at 10% is ample for government admin, for example.

9 people produce goods to the value of £100 they pay 10% they then have £90 left to spend into the economy for their needs. The tenth person who is not producing as such being involved with addmin has also £90.

If we have as we do now with 25% income tax VAT and many other indirect taxes to many to list. Probably over 50% tax we can see how it sets up that control matrix.Thats 1 amount of produce to 1 admin Matrix (Beast) in the hands of a few. Without even looking at other forms of Usury, fractional reserve lending and interest ect.

I haven’t included in this example the people who cannot work,*other than given into the economy (the young the old the injured ect the neediest people which is of great importance) and how they are provided for just to keep the example short.

*Which is not money for nothing as some people claim.

~~Fremen~~ · 05-09-2009, 07:04 PM

Tax alone:
9 people produce goods to the value of £100 they pay 50% tax; they then have £50 left to spend into the economy for their needs. The tenth person who is not producing as such being involved with admin now has 9 x £50 = £450. They keep just £50 leaving £400 to the state. With only 100 people that would be 90 x £400 = £36,000 to the state.

With just 1000 people that would be 900 x £400 = £360,000 to the state.

~~peaceful~~ · 05-09-2009, 08:14 PM

Marcus said:
"The truth shall set you free, but you'll have a tough time accepting it."
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Everyone says "the Truth shall set you free", but how many people have ever thought to themselves, "set me free from what?"

I'm sure people think about what temporal things they want to be freed from, or more directly, which mistakes they wish they did not have to live with (i.e. debt, rotten kids, jobs, spouses, etc).

The phrase, "The Truth shall set you Free" is usually used in a more spiritual manner, but I do not think people often think deeply about what the words Truth or Free mean, in that phrase, from a Spiritual viewpoint. They limit how deep they will dig to understand either word fully or accurately.

Sure they understand the idea of "Truth", but limited in how deeply they understand the Truth. Only an idea thus far. They do not know The Truth (made Flesh).

Exactly the same thing goes for the word Free. Some perhaps have freed themselves from the nazi British system; freed themselves from family baggage; maybe from debt too; perhaps from everything temporal, but they do not know what Free is, they only know something is wrong and so they might as well run from it and save their own skin. They do not write as if they know what true Spiritual Freedom is. Basically no one does.

"Free from what" would be a full-fledged Freedom, which is Freedom from this absolutely miserable planet Earth and released back out into the Universe, only accomplished by a person working diligently to get free of their "Self" and thus satan's control over them, and being generally obedient to Father and His Will, of course.

Thomas 1:3 Jesus said: Let him who seeks [the Truth], not cease seeking until he finds, and when he finds, he will be troubled (by the truth about his "Self" and by the rest of the world, who, like his "Self" are drunk on Satan's lies - Rev. 12:9), and when he has been troubled (overcomes his "Self" and the world), he will marvel and he will reign over [and have Knowledge of] the All.

I emphasize "not cease seeking UNTIL he finds" because people always think they have found; and think wrongly as they usually do, because their arrogance blinds them.

Keep looking until you find.

The bar of judgement as to whether people have actually found the Truth or not is relatively simple and primarily tested by the Book, "The Way home or face The Fire" by JAH.

3:26 Always remain humble, even in victory, because you could not have won without God's help. Then, when you have passed the ultimate test, which is to be like Jesus; in thought; word and deed, at all times; under all circumstances; always doing for others; you can go home.
It is that simple!

http://www.thewayhomeorfacethefire.net