My 1 year old was taken into hospital last thursday with two broken legs, i do not live with their mother and had not see my kids for two weeks. Despite this an emergency court hearing took lpace and i was not notified of this or served any papers and only found out froma social worker 4o minutes before the hearing which was held miles away which made it impossible for me to get their unless I had a private helicopter. I have been lied to about the injuries, lied to about the actions and procedures of social services. No test results have come back and there is no evidence the injuries were intentionally inflicted.
One person who is not a family member has was taken into custody and released on bail. The social services said anyone who has had contact witht he children in the past few weeks in considered guilty until proven innocent. The court ruled the children be taken (one at midnight) into care.
This has caused both our families great harm and is completely unjustified. I need to know if social services have acted unlawfully and any advice or help would be gratefully received. This matter is due back in court on the 1st dec. Would Brian Gerrish be able to help as I know he has been present during similar cases?
I got a phone-call late last night, out-lining your situation Itsallinus. Those people you contacted aren't people you can ever let down, I hope you're playing them straight.
I'm not Brian Gerrish, and I'm not an expert but did you apply for legal aid yet?
Surely a soliciter can discover whether this was accidental or deliberate, and in either case it seems you ought to be treated like a victim.
I've had a lot of dealings with soliciters, you need to be assertive and almost force them to get into gear. Or they will do nothing.
Why would this take a week to determine if you had anything to do with it?
Why take a bad situation and make it worse for the kids? Surely, if I was a social services employee, my first instinct would be to get the children into the safe custody of a parent or relative ASAP just for the sake of the children, I mean this must be so frightening for them being kept away from their family that it must be similar to abuse in itself.
I knew this sort of thing was going to get worse when I saw a BBC anchor-man slamming his fists on his desk and shouting in genuine anger at a social worker live on BBC News 24 when Baby Peter was murdered. But the truth is that children will always be at the mercy of their parents (and this is the way it should always be), saddly what happened to Baby Peter will always happen (rarely with the grace of God), but the state should never act like it owns our children. Incompetence left Baby Peter with monsters to be murdered but incompetence (or fear of incompetence, or knowledge of innate incompetence) also seems to be causing the internment of children without due cause. two sides of the same shitty coin.
(25-11-2009 03:27 PM)ouija Wrote: [ -> ]I got a phone-call late last night, out-lining your situation Itsallinus. Those people you contacted aren't people you can ever let down, I hope you're playing them straight.
I'm not Brian Gerrish, and I'm not an expert but did you apply for legal aid yet?
Surely a soliciter can discover whether this was accidental or deliberate, and in either case it seems you ought to be treated like a victim.
I've had a lot of dealings with soliciters, you need to be assertive and almost force them to get into gear. Or they will do nothing.
Why would this take a week to determine if you had anything to do with it?
Why take a bad situation and make it worse for the kids? Surely, if I was a social services employee, my first instinct would be to get the children into the safe custody of a parent or relative ASAP just for the sake of the children, I mean this must be so frightening for them being kept away from their family that it must be similar to abuse in itself.
I knew this sort of thing was going to get worse when I saw a BBC anchor-man slamming his fists on his desk and shouting in genuine anger at a social worker live on BBC News 24 when Baby Peter was murdered. But the truth is that children will always be at the mercy of their parents (and this is the way it should always be), saddly what happened to Baby Peter will always happen (rarely with the grace of God), but the state should never act like it owns our children. Incompetence left Baby Peter with monsters to be murdered but incompetence (or fear of incompetence, or knowledge of innate incompetence) also seems to be causing the internment of children without due cause. two sides of the same shitty coin.
Hi and thanks for replying. Yes I am being completely honest about this. At the moment both my family and their mother's family are all being considered guilty until proven innocent. I have not even had my youngest (who has the injury) for two weeks as I have them every other weekend. She would have been with her mother every day that my 4 year old was taken to school so if anything had been wrong the staff and other parents would have raised the alarm. No test results have come back yet so there is no proof anyone has intentionally harmed her. I had an hour with my girls today at the SS office under supervision, when I had to go my girls were distraught, my 4 year old was begging me for 20 minutes to come with her to 'the little boys house' as she describes it. She was shaking and terrified, so so heart breaking and I had to walk away as they screamed for me. It really is killing me inside.
At first I was given custody off my four year old and told I would also have my one year old when she is released from hospital but only at the last minute and almost the whole day after the decision had been made, did they then tell me that they did not know when the injury occurred so they were extending the time period toinclude all family members. Why? This is rediculous and insane! I don't know, I understand the children must be protected but like you say and as I have already observed, they are not acting in the childrens best interest and have done every possible thing, taken every possible step to get the children into care without considering the harm they are doing to everyone involved, the children are beening emotionally and psychologically abused by the system.
I am entitled to legal aid and hopefully this will be pushed through, the solicitor has been ill and is due in tomorrow but worth waiting for as they seem very good and deal with these exact type of cases.
The only evidence they have acted upon was the doctor who looked at the x-ray and made an assumption that it must have been intentional but does not know when. It could have been brittle bones, bruising from an accident that caused internal swelling and when she tried to stand up it caused a fracture. Its possible, just like its possible it was my four year old that did it by accident perhaps playing with her, we don't know and until the tests come back we won't know so how the two judges could decide at this point they are not safe with either parent or our families is moronic to say the least. Sorry i had better stop as its only making me angry which does not help..and I then tend to waffle.
Kind regards,
Itsallinus
What's happening is being caused by the fact that you on one side and the childs mother and household on the other side are both plausable in your denial of any knowledge of how the injuries occured.
The judges have taken the view that such injuries are not likely to happen to a one year old without the custodians of the child having knowledge of how those injuries occured.
A proper investigation now has to be launched. In fact has already been triggered from the point were your ex's boyfriend was given part-4 bail. Part-4 bail is when a person is bailed without charge to return to the police station at some specified date in the future, giving the police time to investigate futher and defer charges pending an overview of existing statements (his statement went straight to the CPS office, they will now listen to the tapes to determine whether there exist grounds to charge or they can direct detectives on what aspects of a case to further investigate).
This has at present an open ended meaning, it's at the discretion of the police and CPS who they investigate, whether this means everyone who's had custody of the child or just the boyfriend is down to them. It is likely to be everyone who gets investigated.
Itsallinus, I have a bouncing 1 year 18 day old step-grandson. Babies of that age are very active. It seems unlikely to me that a baby was toddling around on two broken legs for a forenight without anyone noticing, but as a doctor asserted when he looked at the X-rays it is possible. But this also means that in the balance of evidence your culpability is possible but unlikely, and if your soliciter didn't already tell you this morning, your avenue of redress is to get a sound medical second opinion, and statements from your ex to say whether baby has been toddling as normal during these last 2 weeks. Apparently fractures are dateable, more or less. So that's a good thing!
You need to act quickly to obtain statements from your ex as her legal advisor will warn her that this situation could rapidly become adversarial.
If you are investigated it may happen that your computer is removed and checked for evidence, I don't know if you'd realised that.
Anyway this situation gets better when the truth is brought to light. It might be hard on some people (or it might not be hard on anyone, accidents happen at least as often as wicked deeds, more often I'd wager) but it's necessary for the safety of the children. Until then, like latter-day Solomons the Judges are going to hold on to the children.
I hope this helps and the situation is speedily resolved.
Thank you ouija, you have been very helpful. Lets hope they don't omit the dating of the fractures. Anyway, I am having trouble getting hold of the mum but have spoken to the grandparents who had the girls the weekend after I had them and said they were fine then and that they just want to focus on getting the girls back with family asap so I should be able to get a statement from them over the weekend. Even they are having trouble finding out from their daughter (girls mum) when she last saw her crawling and walking (with furniture/sofa as a support prop), I think its getting too much for her and she is having a nervous breakdown. I hope not but it has been harder on her than anyone else as she was responsible for them and is not only still in shock but has been grilled more than anyone else. I just wish I had more info, I still feel very much in the dark about what happened last week as I only spoke to the grandmother last tuesday and she was not aware anything was wrong at that time then the next thing I heard was from the social worker on friday who told me the legs were broken.
I'll keep you posted if I hear anything though obviously with discretion for legal reasons as you obvious are aware (far more than me). But your advice means a lot and I won't forget those who have help, you are already in my heart and a friend for life ;-)
Just to let you know I have been told by a social worker that my ex's partner had previously been accused (by more than one person it seems) and arrested by police, of breaking a 1 year olds arm, however he was not charged.
Hmmm...
This cuts deep.
I'll bet the social workers are feeling contradiction between their emotions and their work practise now.
Please realise your going to have to be ready to be dad again at the earliest possible opportunity. You can't react to any frustration just now. Maybe go out in the yard and chop wood or go for a run? Any wrong move by you could give this guy an out, if you follow me?
For you now Itsallinus I want you to put at the back of your mind what I'm about to write below about how a person who'd deliberately do this needs to be stopped, I'm sure that right now everyone can see how if they found themselves in the position you've been put in they would need to leave it to others to deal with the glaringly outstanding task of catching this guy and stopping him doing this again.
There has to be a way to catch a person who'd do this, what if they do the same again? or escalate (again)? Do we all now live with it on our consciences if this happens again? I'd expect a mind that does such a thing, twice, would do similar sadistic things again and has probably done similar sadistic things in the past.
This can't go uninvestigated, someone, somewhere who's on Brewsters out of my tax payments had better be thinking of a way of catching a person like this. Perhaps, (off cuff), if he were left in a situation were he could commit an offence whilst observed on camera. He could be stopped if necessary at the last minute?
Itsallinus, I'd be careful not to make my position with the authorities too adversarial just yet because you don't want the situation where because of the shabby way they have treated you it ends up not in their interests to catch the nutter. They must want to catch him, if they retain any humanity, and so I'd be encouraging that wholeheartedly, and persistantly insisting that as it's unlikely that all the sides of your childrens family would be involved in this it is in the interests of the children for the authorities to get to the bottom of the matter as speedily as possible so the children can get back where God and nature intended them to be.
God has intended that children be with their father in the case of
divorce; and the valid (legal) reason for divorce is as follows:
Matthew 5:32 But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his
wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit
adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth
adultery.
Children do not naturally have brittle bones, and if brittle bones
were/are a factor, an underlying endocrine disorder would be the cause
of such fractures; generally a reason such as this is rare;
and so more than likely this is a case of physical abuse;
and such could be determined by a qualified pediatric orthopedic physician in x-ray interpretation.
Either way, this is a very unfortunate situation for the child and
family, obviously;
and I suggest using this as an opportunity to return to that which is in fact intended by God;
having your wife return to you with your children;
all living under one household; as one under God;
with you as the head of the household for the safety of you and your family.
Custody of Children:-
http://jahtruth.net/cuofch.htm
http://www.ajronline.org/cgi/content/full/184/4/1282
http://books.google.com/books?id=VbjFQiz...&q=&f=true
Based on results in the above links very kindly sent to me this is what I can conclude and it proves, if the details are correct which seem to be good enough (And I know I am innocent and that it must have happened after the grandparents last had them because they wouldn't have and had the girls who were fine a week after me) that the healing process of the subperiosteal new bone formation must have been in the early stages when the scan was taken. If it happened the night the bf babysat then the healing might not have begun or would only just be beginning to depending on the date the scan was taken which I believe was on the 20th. If they say the healing is in the late stage then they are lying! Simple as that! They won't, they can't and the proof/truth will be in the scan whatever. If they cannot tell I shall demand that an independant re-exmination of the scan be done by a different team.
Hope this is not too confusing:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Periosteal_reaction
Subperiosteal new bone formation should be in the lates stages if scan taken after 20th Nov and peek stages if on the 20th, if this is not visable then I am excluded, if the early stages are not visable then it must have occurred within 0-3 days from scan which would be Tues 17th, if scanned on Fri 20th . If in early stages and scan on 20th then injuries would have occurred no later than 10 days from the 20th = no later than 10th Nov. I last had contact with Imogen before the 20th on the 8th Nov and this would like I said, be into the peak stage or late stage if scan taken after the 20th Nov periodically.!!!!!!!
Now I just need to get this to the solicitor on Moday and make sure she gets a definative answer of what stage and when scan taken. I know it must be at the very most in the early stage if taken on the 20th and might not even show at all.
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